Yousef al-Khattab helped change the way young Muslims were radicalized by spewing extreme Islamist propaganda on a YouTube channel.
Now al-Khattab, who was born Joseph Leonard Cohen and was brought up in New Jersey and in Brooklyn in a Jewish home, tells NPR he made a big mistake and describes himself as a "failure." He's scheduled to appear in a federal court in Alexandria, Va., on Friday to be sentenced on terrorism charges.
The case is significant because al-Khattab, now in his mid-40s, is one of the founders of a radical Islamist group called Revolution Muslim, which became a gateway for young jihadists in the U.S. looking to join violent Islamist groups overseas.
Back in October, al-Khattab pleaded guilty to using the RevMuslim website to "place persons affiliated with Jewish organizations ... in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury." And for doing so, he faces up to five years in prison.
"I pleaded, I don't know the exact wording of it, but it was disseminating a threat on the Internet," al-Khattab said in an interview with NPR ahead of his court appearance. "What I did was stupid and it was wrong and I am paying the price for that now, period."
What al-Khattab did was post a video in 2009 of violence in the Gaza Strip. He then encouraged RevMuslim followers to seek out Jewish leaders in the U.S. and, in his words, "deal with them directly in their homes."
Then he posted a photo of a Jewish organization in Brooklyn, with directions on how to get there, adding that it tended to be full at prayer time.
"They interpreted me giving the message of Islam as being a threat to the Jewish community, which it wasn't," he began explaining.
When asked how providing addresses and pictures of people in the Jewish community after an anti-Semitic screed could possibly be misinterpreted, he bowed his head.
"OK, OK," he said, "I am not defending that."
Launching The Site In 2007
After growing up in New Jersey, he converted to Islam in his late 20s, when he was living in the Middle East. When he returned to the U.S. in 2007, he helped start Revolution Muslim.
He says he "fell in" with people who were more radical than he was, but law enforcement officials say al-Khattab spearheaded the group's radicalization efforts.
Mitch Silber used to be the New York Police Department's highest-ranking terrorism expert and ran its Terrorism Analysis Division. Now he runs K2 Intelligence's Data Analytics practice. He said for a time after 2007, Revolution Muslim appeared to have some connection to almost every formal terrorism investigation they opened.
"RevMuslim became very proactive in the New York City area," Silber said, "both publicly, doing demonstrations on the streets on New York City, as well as online, having a pretty significant Internet component to their efforts. Al-Khattab was one of the two leaders of the group, he was a chief propagandist, he was an organizer, he was a provocateur."
A New Era Of Radicalization
Revolution Muslim and al-Khattab ushered in a new era of jihadi radicalization.
It used to be that young Muslims traveled to terrorist training camps in Pakistan, Afghanistan or Yemen after being radicalized by recruiters from terrorist groups.
Revolution Muslim's YouTube channel and website made one-on-one recruitment unnecessary. The group could goad young Muslims to action with provocative posts on the Web.
They put up videos of a radical cleric known as Sheikh Abdullah Faisal who, among other things, preached that it was good to kill those who don't believe in Islam. Faisal is now in Jamaica, where local Muslim groups have shunned him and his radical message.
Revolution Muslim posted a video that championed Osama bin Laden and the 911 terrorists as heroes. After the 2009 Fort Hood shooting, in which Army Maj. Nidal Hassan killed 13 people, al-Khattab publicly lauded his actions. He and other members of Revolution Muslim demonstrated in support of Hassan and put the video of their protest up on the Web.
All of this provocation seemed to work — RevMuslim followers prone to violence began coming out of the woodwork. Between 2008 and last year, nearly every violent Islamist arrested in this country on terrorism charges seemed to have some connection to the group.
The Philadelphia woman known as Jihad Jane, arrested in 2009 for plotting to kill a cartoonist who had drawn the Prophet Muhammad, was a RevMuslim follower.
Samir Khan, the North Carolina man who edited an al-Qaida magazine and was killed by a drone while riding in the same vehicle as radical American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen, was a frequent visitor to the group's chatrooms.
Zachary Chesser, a Virginia man who blogged for RevMuslim, was arrested boarding a flight to Somalia. He was traveling to join al-Shabab, a group linked to al-Qaida.
'We Were Wrong'
Al-Khattab was the last of the group's core leadership to have evaded authorities, until he pleaded guilty last fall.
"I thought we had stayed on the right side of the line with regard to free speech," he said. "But it appears we went over it, we went too far, and, I'll say it, we were wrong."
Al-Khattab said now his concern is that his prison sentence will raise a rallying cry in the very radical forums that he helped create. He says he doesn't want to be lionized as a religious warrior — a mujahadid.
"This was stupidity and this is what happens when you hang out with the wrong people," he said. "So it is my fault. I know when I go to jail, they will be, 'Allah, Allah, he's a mujahadid.' I am not a mujahadid. I am a failure."
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And I'm David Greene. Our colleague Dina Temple-Raston recently had a conversation with an alleged terrorist. He's one of the founders of a group called Revolution Muslim, which we first reported on about four years ago. Rev Muslim, as it's known, is a radical Islamist group that operated openly in New York City. The group used the Internet to recruit and radicalize young Muslims here in the United States.
Later today, the co-founder of the group, who spoke with Dina, is scheduled to be sentenced on terrorism charges in Alexandria, Va.
YOUSEF MOHAMMED AL-KHATTAB: My name is Yousef Mohammed al-Khattab. I was born Jospeh Cohen.
DINA TEMPLE-RASTON, BYLINE: He was a Jewish kid from New Jersey, who converted to Islam in his 20s. And his travels in the Middle East radicalized him.
AL-KHATTAB: When I got involved with Revolution Muslim, I had come from overseas. I was in Palestine, and I became a Muslim in Palestine. I fell in to people that were more radical than I was.
TEMPLE-RASTON: Those more radical people were part of a pro al-Qaida, anti-American, anti-Semitic group called Revolution Muslim. Mitch Silber ran the New York Police Department's Terrorism Analysis Division. He says the group became a gateway for young Muslims seeking a violent form of Islam.
MITCH SILBER: And they became very proactive in the New York City area, both publicly - doing demonstrations on the streets of New York City - as well as online, having a pretty significant Internet component to their efforts.
(SOUNDBITE OF YOUTUBE VIDEO)
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: We come to you today representing an organization known as Revolution Muslim, opening your eyes to that which you have been made blind to.
TEMPLE-RASTON: That's a video from Revolution Muslim's old YouTube channel. It shows a demonstration by its members in New York after the 2009 shootings in Fort Hood, Texas, that left 13 people dead.
(SOUNDBITE OF YOUTUBE VIDEO)
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: It took place right here in the belly on the beast, the United States of America.
TEMPLE-RASTON: Yousef al-Khattab is featured in the video, and the NYPD's Mitch Silber says al-Khattab wasn't just a bystander.
SILBER: He was one of the two leaders of the group. He was a chief propagandist, he was an organizer, he was a provocateur.
TEMPLE-RASTON: A provocateur who ushered in a new era of jihadi radicalization. It used to be that young Muslims traveled to terrorist training camps in Pakistan, Afghanistan or Yemen. Revolution Muslim reached them with provocative posts on the Web. And it worked. Jihad Jane, the Philadelphia woman arrested in 2009, was a Rev Muslim follower. Samir Khan, the North Carolina man who edited an al-Qaida magazine, visited the group's chatrooms. Zack Chesser, a Virginia man who blogged for Rev Muslim, was arrested boarding a flight to Somalia. He was traveling to join a group linked to al-Qaida.
Those followers are now dead or in prison. Soon, Yousef al-Khattab is expected to be behind bars, too. He's pleaded guilty to terrorism charges.
AL-KHATTAB: I pleaded - I don't know the exact wording of it, but it was disseminating a threat on the Internet.
TEMPLE-RASTON: What he did was post a video of violence in the Gaza Strip and then encouraged Rev Muslim followers to seek out Jewish leaders in the U.S. and - in his words - deal with them directly in their homes. Then he posted a photo of a Jewish organization in Brooklyn, with directions on how to get there.
AL-KHATTAB: They interpreted me giving the message of Islam as being a threat towards the Jewish community, which it wasn't.
TEMPLE-RASTON: Well, if you actually give addresses and pictures of people who are in the Jewish community...
AL-KHATTAB: OK. Yeah. That's - now, I am not defending that. That was stupid and it was wrong, and I am paying the price for that now. Period.
TEMPLE-RASTON: Al-Khattab said now, his concern is that his prison sentence will raise a rallying cry in the very radical forums that he helped create. He says he doesn't want to be lionized as a religious warrior - a mujahedeen.
AL-KHATTAB: This was stupidity, and this is what happens when you hang out with the wrong people. And so it's my fault. I know when I go to jail and it's going to be, you see, oh, so (foreign language spoken) - you know, he's a mujahedeen. I am not a mujahedeen, I am a failure.
TEMPLE-RASTON: Yousef al-Khattab faces as much as five years in prison. Dina Temple-Raston, NPR News. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.