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The Serious Comic Art Of Daniel Clowes

Originally published on Tue May 8, 2012 10:09 am

Comics used to be seen as cheap throwaway entertainment for children and teenagers. But over the last few decades, comics have grown up; they're even released in longer formats, on nice paper with hard covers, as graphic novels.

Daniel Clowes is one of the artists cited for turning the form into serious art — in fact, the art has gotten so serious that his work is now in a museum. Clowes is one of the best-known comic artists working today, with two of his books made into Hollywood films: the Academy Award-nominated Ghost World and Art School Confidential.

Clowes never aimed to be the kind of artist museums collect. But now, the walls of the Oakland Museum of California are covered with his drawings. It's "quite embarrassing," he laughs.

After a stint as an art student at Brooklyn's Pratt Institute in the 1970s, Clowes tried unsuccessfully to get work as an illustrator. Sitting around drawing comics on his own, he decided to send a strip to underground publisher Fantagraphics. He was expecting rejection.

Instead, "they called me up and offered me a monthly comic book, and I felt like I hadn't earned anything," he says. "You know, it's like all of a sudden, you're being made president after you've been like, you know, on the city council in Cleveland."

Clowes rose to the occasion — or some might say sunk. In 1989, he created the comic book series Eightball, which he billed as "An Orgy of Spite, Vengeance, Hopelessness, Despair, and Sexual Perversion." His main characters were unmotivated and cranky. His work skewered everything, from televangelists to fashionistas.

Enid Coleslaw, the reluctant heroine of Ghost World, is classic Clowes. She's an outsider. She doesn't like to play by the rules, she doesn't want to get a job, she doesn't want to go to college and she speaks her mind.

"Enid, if she knew about Ghost World, she would just hate it," Clowes says. "She'd be like, 'This book is, like, so horrible.' You know, my characters are like the worst customers I could imagine."

Original drawings of Enid and dozens more of Clowes' eccentric characters adorn the gallery walls. David Boring is on a quest for the perfect wife. Then there's The Death-Ray, a super hero spoof about a guy named Andy who gets special powers every time he puffs on a cigarette. And Wilson, who stars in Clowes' most recent work, is an unemployed, divorced, grumpy loner. He talks to people in public places in a desperate attempt to make some kind of human connection.

"I certainly share a lot of the anxiety and the world views of a guy like Wilson," Clowes says, "although he's a much less palatable version. He's me at my worst moment. He's like me in my moments of road rage, when I'm safely inside my car and I can say what I feel."

But, Clowes adds, he's actually trying to bring out the nobility in characters like Enid and Wilson. "[Wilson] really just wants to connect with people by being his exact true self, which is something none of us ever do, and he's not interested in changing himself to connect with people, which is what all of us do do. It made him seem much more noble when I figured that out about him."

Curator Susan Miller discovered Clowes' work more than a decade ago in the adult section of a comic book store in San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury neighborhood. "There was some pornography in there," she says, "but there was also Dan's work, and the Hernandez brothers, and a bunch of comic artists that were making work that didn't fit in the superhero shelf at all. And I think 'adult' meant 'sophisticated.' "

Miller was struck by the themes of loneliness and alienation, mixed with humor and empathy, that ran throughout Clowes' work. She also noticed the quality of his designs — something that's not immediately apparent to readers who've only seen the drawings reprinted in books.

"The quality of that work is lost in the reproduction," Miller says. "So you can actually see the work as it's originally drawn. And you just won't get that in the printed material."

One of the ironies of having Clowes' work on display in an art museum is that he often pokes fun at the world of fine art. Jerome, the main character in Art School Confidential, finds himself the underdog in art classes because he likes to draw rather than create abstractions or conceptual pieces — an experience Clowes had in real life as a student at the Pratt Institute.

Clowes says his instructors were mostly minimalists and abstract expressionists. "They were all so beyond figural drawings and all that stuff that was so buried and in the past, they couldn't believe anybody was bringing that up again," he says. And Clowes didn't just want to do figure drawings, he wanted to make comics.

"They would just say, 'Well, comics are basically inherently stupid.' The preponderance of the evidence was such that that was possibly true. There were just years and years and years of really dumb comics."

There are still some dumb comics around, but for the most part, the world has changed. Clowes cites the work of underground superstar Robert Crumb as one of his inspirations — and now he, Crumb, and other artists published by Fantagraphics are inspiring a new generation.

And an exhibition like this one has the power to change minds. Museum docent Jeff Cullen says that at first, he didn't really know what to make of it, but since seeing Clowes' work, he's buying comics again for the first time since childhood. Cullen says he's especially moved by the hapless Wilson.

"It was disturbing. You almost don't like him, but then by the end of the story ... I felt a sympathy for him." Cullen says Wilson's story does what art is supposed to do: It holds a mirror up to our own lives.

And iff you want to experience Enid, Andy, Jerome and Wilson for yourself, the show will go on the road later this year, making stops in Chicago, Columbus, Ohio and Washington, DC.

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Transcript

STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:

If you didn't get enough of comic book characters as "The Avengers" opened over the weekend, you could pick up an actual comic book. An art form that used to be cheap and disposable has grown up. Some are even released on nice paper with hard covers and a grown-up label - graphic novel.

Daniel Clowes is one of the artists who made comics respectable and now, he has a museum show. And the label outside the door warns: Mature Content. NPR's Laura Sydell reports.

LAURA SYDELL, BYLINE: Even those who don't read comics may be familiar with Daniel Clowes' work. Two of his stories have been made into Hollywood films: the Academy Award-nominated "Ghost World," and "Art School Confidential." But Clowes never aimed to be the kind of artist that museums collect. Now, he stands in an exhibition hall at the Oakland Museum in California, where the walls are covered with his drawings.

And here you are now. You're in a museum. It's...

DANIEL CLOWES: Quite embarrassing.

(SOUNDBITE OF LAUGHTER)

SYDELL: After a stint in art school at Pratt in Chicago in the 1970s, Clowes tried unsuccessfully to get work as an illustrator. [POST-BROADCAST CORRECTION: Pratt is located in Brooklyn, N.Y.] He was sitting around drawing comics and on a fluke, he sent a strip to underground publisher Fantagraphics. Clowes was expecting rejection. Instead...

CLOWES: They called me up, and offered me a monthly comic book. And I felt like I hadn't earned anything. I felt like I had just done this one strip, and I had no idea what I was doing. You know, it's like all of a sudden, you're being made president after you've been, you know, like the - on the city council in Cleveland.

SYDELL: Clowes rose to the occasion - or, some might say, sunk. In 1989, Clowes created the comic book series "Eightball," and he billed it as "An Orgy of Spite, Vengeance, Hopelessness, Despair and Sexual Perversion." His main characters are unmotivated and cranky. The work skewered everything - televangelists, macho men, fashionistas.

(SOUNDBITE OF MOVIE, "GHOST WORLD")

THORA BIRCH: (as Enid) That's $500.

SCARLETT JOHANSSON: (as Rebecca) What?

BIRCH: (as Enid) Five hundred.

JOHANSSON: (as Rebecca) You're crazy.

SYDELL: That's Enid Coleslaw in the film "Ghost World," selling her clothes to avoid getting a real job.

(SOUNDBITE OF MOVIE, "GHOST WORLD")

BIRCH: (as Enid) Well, why do you want it? I mean, it would look stupid on you anyway.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: God. (BLEEP) you.

JOHANSSON: (as Rebecca) Now are you going to get a regular job?

SYDELL: Enid is classic Daniel Clowes. She's an outsider. She doesn't like to play by the rules. She doesn't want to get a job. She doesn't want to go to college, and she speaks her mind.

CLOWES: Enid, if she knew about "Ghost World," she would just hate it. She would be like, this book is, like, so horrible.

You know, my characters are like all the worst customers I can imagine.

(SOUNDBITE OF LAUGHTER)

SYDELL: On the gallery walls, we can see the original drawings of Enid, and dozens more of Clowes' eccentric characters: David Boring, on a quest for the perfect wife; "The Death-Ray," a super hero spoof about Andy, who gets special powers every time he puffs a cigarette. "Wilson," Clowes' most recent work, is an unemployed, divorced and grumpy loner. He talks to people in public places and when they tell him to go away, he sarcastically laments that he was just trying to find a brief moment of human connection.

Clowes says there's a bit of Wilson in him.

CLOWES: I certainly share a lot of the anxieties, and the world view, of a guy like Wilson - although he's a much less palatable version. He is me at my worst moment. You know, he's like me in my moments of like, road rage, when I'm safely inside my car and I can say what I feel.

(SOUNDBITE OF LAUGHTER)

SYDELL: But Clowes says what he tries to bring out is the nobility in characters like Enid and Wilson.

CLOWES: He really just wants to connect with people by being his exact, true self - which is something none of us ever do. And he's not interested in changing himself to connect with people, which is what all of us do, do.

(SOUNDBITE OF LAUGHTER)

CLOWES: It made him seem much more noble when I figured that out about him.

SYDELL: Those these are comics, you've probably figured out they are not for children. In fact, over a decade ago, curator Susan Miller discovered the work in the adult section of a comic book store in San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury.

SUSAN MILLER: There was some pornography in there but there was also Dan's work, and the Hernandez brothers, and a bunch of comic artists that were making work that didn't fit in the superhero shelf - at all. And I think adult meant sophisticated.

SYDELL: Miller was struck by the themes of loneliness, alienation - mixed with humor and empathy - that ran throughout Clowes' work, as well as the high level of design. It took her six years to finally get the show up. And over that time, comics have been seen, increasingly, as serious art - though unlike most work in a museum, Clowes' art is mass-produced.

MILLER: The quality of that work is lost in the reproduction. So you can actually see the work as it's originally drawn. And you just won't get that in the printed material.

SYDELL: One of the ironies of having Clowes' work on display in an art museum is that he often pokes fun at the fine-art world. In his comic "Art School Confidential," his main character, Jerome, finds himself the underdog in art classes because he likes to draw rather than create abstractions or conceptual pieces. Here's a scene from the 2006 movie.

(SOUNDBITE OF MOVIE, "ART SCHOOL CONFIDENTIAL")

UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: (as charactor) Your drawing looks like it was done by a machine whereas Flowers' - Flowers' is full of playfulness and - yeah, like humanity.

MAX MINGHELLA: (as Jerome) What's so great about humanity?

SYDELL: Clowes says the scene mirrored his own life at Pratt in the 1970s, where his teachers were abstract expressionists and minimalists.

CLOWES: They were all so beyond figural drawings, and all that stuff. That was so buried and in the past, they couldn't believe anybody was bringing that up again.

SYDELL: Even worse, Clowes told his teachers he wanted to draw comics.

CLOWES: And they would just say, well, just - comics are basically, inherently stupid. The preponderance of the evidence was such that that was possibly true. There were just years and years and years of really dumb comics.

SYDELL: Yet, the world has changed. Clowes cites the work of Robert Crumb as one of his inspirations and now, he and other artists that were printed by Fantagraphics Comics are among those lighting the way for younger comic book artists. There work is regularly printed in hard cover, and turned into movies.

And an exhibition like this one also has the power to open minds. On a weekday afternoon, Jeff Cullen, one of the museum's docents, says when they first told him about this show, he didn't know what to make of it.

Are you generally somebody who likes comics?

JEFF CULLEN: No, no, not since, you know, I was a little kid.

SYDELL: But since seeing Clowes' work, he's been trying comics again. He was especially moved by "Wilson."

CULLEN: It was disturbing. You almost don't like him. But then by the end of the story, you really feel a sympathy - or I felt it; you know, a sympathy for him.

SYDELL: Cullen says it does what art is supposed to do: It holds a mirror up to us.

"Wilson" is being made into a movie. This exhibition, "The Art of Daniel Clowes," is making stops in Cleveland, Chicago and Washington, D.C.

Laura Sydell, NPR News, San Francisco. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

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